Cathy Lanier, NFL Chief Security Officer – From Food Stamps to the Super Bowl War Room (#862)

Cathy Lanier works as the chief security officer (CSO) of the National Football League (NFL). As the league’s CSO, he oversees all operations and functions of the NFL’s Security Department—overseeing the league’s office interactions with all 32 clubs and working with federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies to ensure the safety of NFL facilities, fans, players, employees, and infrastructure.

Prior to her career in the NFL, Cathy served as the chief of police in the Washington, DC, Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) from 2007 to 2016, becoming the first female police chief in the nation’s capital, the first chief of Homeland Security and Counter-Terrorism for the DC Police, and the longest serving chief of the DC force. His new strategies are said to have reduced violent crime in Washington by 21 percent from 2007 to 2015, while the city’s population grew by 15 percent.

Cathy is a graduate of the FBI National Academy and the United States Drug Enforcement Administration’s Drug Unit Commanders Academy. He holds bachelor’s and master’s degrees in administration from Johns Hopkins University and a master’s degree in national security studies from the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California.

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SELECTED CONNECTIONS ARE IN THE SECTION

• Connect with Cathy Lanier:

LinkedIn

Books

People

Companies, Institutions, and Organizations

Events & Cases

Equipment, Technology, and Chemical/Biological Agents Referenced

Concepts

Time stamps

• [00:00] Start.
• [01:38] Cathy Lanier: from the Tuxedo to the top.
• [03:22] My father disappears; Mom picks up the line (then snaps to the TV).
• [08:08] Rushed to DC: A straight-A student turns into a chronic truant.
• [10:37] Married at 15, signed up for a $100 child discount.
• [12:54] The awakening of the child in the womb.
• [16:37] GED for one point; secretary by day, servant by night.
• [20:18] The Washington Post ad that changed everything.
• [20:39] 1990 MPD: the crack cocaine wars.
• [23:46] Grandma’s gospel: no excuses, damned by doing.
• [26:23] The Mount Pleasant riots: a brick-and-mortar experiment, and an epiphany for a better way.
• [33:23] The transfer of Donny Exum – and the 26-year-old sergeant.
• [38:56] Being a woman in the ’90s: harassment and the 90-day dodge.
• [49:38] Marion Barry exits, Chuck Ramsey enters.
• [51:08] Lieutenant: nice place. Captain: desk (but keep the cups).
• [56:58] 9/11 and a surprise transfer to Special Ops.
• [58:07] Advisers lend confidence – and a counter-terrorism office built from scratch.
• [1:00:14] Survive Sarin, VX, and bioweapons training.
• [1:02:22] Text 50, get 411: the tip line gambit.
• [1:03:36] Cultivation sources: white Escalade profit.
• [1:09:02] Attention to detail: OCD as a superpower.
• [1:10:43] Teletubby pages on smartphones – and counting by Thomas Maslin.
• [1:15:14] NFL safety: its scope is “everything.”
• [1:17:10] Red cooperation, explains.
• [1:18:53] NFL vs. MPD: diversity and complexity from 11.
• [1:21:24] Book club: Tipping Point and Blink.
• [1:23:32] Decisions under pressure — and imperfect information.
• [1:28:34] Billboard wisdom: it’s not happening; that’s what you do.
• [1:30:08] Separate thoughts.

CATHY LANIER QUOTES IN THE INTERVIEW

“You’ll be damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Better be damned for doing that.”

— Cathy Lanier

“I’m not a forgiving person, I don’t make excuses, if I find myself in a bad situation and do something to put myself here, I’ll get myself out.”

— Cathy Lanier

“What a mentor does to you is to lend you confidence that you don’t have.”

— Cathy Lanier

“To me, arrest statistics are not a good measure of success in a police department.”

— Cathy Lanier

“Effective communication, both verbal and written, is essential to professional success. And it’s a skill that develops over time, your listening part is more important than the communication part.”

— Cathy Lanier

“Bad things happen to everyone, it’s not about the bad decision you made or the bad thing that happened to you, it’s what you do after.”

— Cathy Lanier

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